Tuesday 09 March 2010 1:43:47 am

I agree with Kristof here. The policy need to be clear and stated somewhere on the projects site.

There are still a bunch of projects on projects.ez.no that mention or infer paid support. A quick search for "purchase" shows:

• http://projects.ez.no/bcstaticshipping
• http://projects.ez.no/bccarousel
• http://projects.ez.no/directebanking

The original issue and comments, include those from eZ people can be viewed here: http://blog.coomanskristof.be/2009/05/22/share-your-information-censorin/

It's almost been 12 months since this issue was first raised. Was it discussed at the conference? Is so what were the outcomes?

Cheers
Bruce

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Tuesday 09 March 2010 5:35:53 am

Enterprise Open Source is not just a business model for eZ systems, but also for other members in the Ez eco system (like us). As Contactivity, we are happy to provide open source contributions to the eZ community, but only if we have an opportunity to try so sell professional services on top of these contributions.

What are the options:
- Advertising on a profile page: we want to push our services on the same page where people download a contribution, and not on a profile page that is not directly related to the product;
- become a business partner of eZ: we have been a business partner for over 6 years (even Gold partner) but are not very happy about how that has worked out for us. We have therefore decided to evaluate the outcome of the new partnership model first before making a decision about a business partnership;
- certified extension: Given the costs of getting an extension certified for eZ, we have no interest in releasing our code as certified extensions;
- moving the code to some other repository: not good for eZ, not good for us. But for the lack of other options, we have decided to host our extensions at Google code, where we can advertise for our services (e.g.: http://code.google.com/p/objectrelationbrowse/)

Why not have some Google-Ads like advertising for eZ community members on projects.ez.no? I wouldn't mind paying for the opportunity to be able to advertise our services in a relevant page. I'll be more than happy to move back the code once I have an opportunity to advertise for our services.

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Tuesday 09 March 2010 3:14:37 pm

Hi all

I do think the issue is getting to be larger than it has to be. The issue started with removal of "commercial" messages for an individual and while there has been a lot of discussions it's still unclear as to the actual policy. Text of a similar commercial nature that were on the site at the time remain and new messages are posted from time to time. (I can't see alot of difference between Sebastiaan's signature and Kristof's original message)

In the mean time the community is being divided with projects being split out from the ecosystem with the main crux being the commercial messages.

Can I suggest that messages like Kristof's and Sebastiaan's that simply state that commercial support is available are permitted to appear on projects pages and in signatures. These messages must not be more than 2 lines long and must simply state that commercial support is available and provide a means of contact, either by an email of link.

Lets try an agile approach on this instead of attempting to create a large community partner program that covers all bases, just address this one issue that is so disruptive. If you like put a sunset clause on the above so that it will be reviewed in 3-6 months time and may be changed.

Cheers
Bruce

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Wednesday 10 March 2010 2:40:15 am

Hi Bruce,

Sounds like a good solution to me! I vote +1

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Saturday 20 March 2010 8:52:07 am

Hello Kristof,

I like this humor and punchiness.

You, and everyone concerned with the multiple topics raised in this thread, will receive an answer next week. Please bear with the few days until then, and stay tuned, some responsiveness will be required.

Have a wonderful week end,
Kind Regards,

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Saturday 03 April 2010 12:34:29 am

Unfortunately the solution you propose does not really solve our needs IMHO, at first sight. Can you describe more into details what you understand under "only links to a partner profile page are allowed as advertisement artifacts". So it's just a link, no mention of the availability of "commercial support by [Business partner|Community partner] x" on the project page itself?

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Monday 12 April 2010 11:07:25 am

Any remarks from others? Bruce? Sebastiaan?

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Friday 09 July 2010 2:14:36 am

Hi Kristof,

This discussion still is ongoing, although it did not show any activity in the past weeks. And the proposal is not implemented. Your message is a good opportunity to resume it, and take into account the new elements which came into play since the last message.

Let me try to quickly sum-up the suggestion i had made on Wednesday, 31st of March. The idea was to implement an egalitarian handling of commercial advertisement within the eZ Publish Community. Only partners would be allowed to do so. As a reminder, the two existing partner programs were pointed to :

• The for-large-business Business Partner Program
• The for-smb-and-freelancers Community Partner Program, detailed here

By the way, congratulations again for being one of our Community Partners Kristof. This first condition does not appear as a blocking point, given that the Community Partner program is free and open to anyone having one eZ Publish reference.

Request was made to have the possibility to advertise for one's commercial availability on project pages, which, according to Sebastiaan's argument is a good way to display an integrator's relevancy. The proposal made stated the possibility to visually label a project with the creator's/maintainer's partner status. This could take the form of a logo placed close to the project's title, linking to the creator's partner page, where contact information, description and open advertisement is encouraged. One could think of other visual artifacts, please suggest !

The first new element pops up here : the soon-to-be merger of share.ez.no and projects.ez.no (read these slides to get the big picture) will allow for more connection between the development work and the partner profiles. One thing will be to list a company's projects (as member or leader) on the company's profile page in share.ez.no's yellow pages. Concretely Kristof, your Community Partner profile would comprise the impressive list of all projects you either created or participated to. This strengthens the link between somebody's actual development work and her branding within eZ.

The second new element comes into play here : a new certified extension program will be launched, very likely to be way more efficient and easier for partners than the previous one. In short, this will take the form of an extension store, direct channel between the authors and the customers. This will allow for making business around extensions (for-pay ext or for-pay support), and the eZ certification label will help catch attention. More on this later, but bear in mind that this will be a way to satisfy your expectations.

I am keen on hearing opinions on this.

Cheers,

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